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		<title>By: neo</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/how-education-is-ruining-your-life#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The incompetence of education is not incometence at all. It is being done purposely and is merely masking an agenda. Those who control the world aim is to churn out as many mind conrolled brainwashed monkey workers as they can, to support the elitist class. Why do you think they discourage critical thinking and incourage repetition, of what is often falsified information. They implant beliefs, and basically do not actually teach anything useful, but rather indoctrinate their students to think the same way as the system, alas creating a bunch of mind controlled zombies.  BTW I like your article thanks it was a pleasure to read :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The incompetence of education is not incometence at all. It is being done purposely and is merely masking an agenda. Those who control the world aim is to churn out as many mind conrolled brainwashed monkey workers as they can, to support the elitist class. Why do you think they discourage critical thinking and incourage repetition, of what is often falsified information. They implant beliefs, and basically do not actually teach anything useful, but rather indoctrinate their students to think the same way as the system, alas creating a bunch of mind controlled zombies.  BTW I like your article thanks it was a pleasure to read <img src='http://davetroy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: how to get good grades?</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/how-education-is-ruining-your-life#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>how to get good grades?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 15:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;great dude ....i think no body write about it. i want to say that education never ruining your life rather then it makes life good.</description>
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<p>great dude &#8230;.i think no body write about it. i want to say that education never ruining your life rather then it makes life good.</p>
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		<title>By: Learning By Accident &#8212; Dave Troy: Fueled By Randomness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Learning By Accident &#8212; Dave Troy: Fueled By Randomness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently wrote an essay about how our educational system is an artifact of the industrial revolution; designed to produce [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard D. Cushing</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/how-education-is-ruining-your-life#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard D. Cushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the father of nine children, all but one being home schooled through high school graduation, I certainly agree with you on many of the negatives of our public education system.  I would, however, like to add a few adjustments:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) While the Industrial Revolution certainly had an impact on the move to public education, the public education system as we know it was NOT designed primarily as a tool of corporatism. Rather, it was explicitly designed as a collectivist tool of the state. The goal was collectivism with a view to the easy management (i.e., manipulation) of &quot;the masses.&quot;  This, in my opinion, is more damning than a corporatist aim.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) By removing children from their homes, where they would dwell in a naturally defined heterogeneous age-group setting, public school systems place children in age-based peer-groups that tends to build a collectivist mentality by encouraging them to go-along to get-along. The weak become the oppressed and the physically strong (or strong-willed) rise to dominate (illicitly, if not explicitly). &quot;Wisdom&quot; no comes from only two sources: the state-supplied instructor and the will of the majority. There are no &quot;elders&quot; in this community.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3) What education occurs is directed at mediocrity, not excellence. Excellence is reserved for the elite that are able to opt-out of public education and take another route to ascendancy .&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the father of nine children, all but one being home schooled through high school graduation, I certainly agree with you on many of the negatives of our public education system.  I would, however, like to add a few adjustments:</p>
<p>1) While the Industrial Revolution certainly had an impact on the move to public education, the public education system as we know it was NOT designed primarily as a tool of corporatism. Rather, it was explicitly designed as a collectivist tool of the state. The goal was collectivism with a view to the easy management (i.e., manipulation) of &#8220;the masses.&#8221;  This, in my opinion, is more damning than a corporatist aim.</p>
<p>2) By removing children from their homes, where they would dwell in a naturally defined heterogeneous age-group setting, public school systems place children in age-based peer-groups that tends to build a collectivist mentality by encouraging them to go-along to get-along. The weak become the oppressed and the physically strong (or strong-willed) rise to dominate (illicitly, if not explicitly). &#8220;Wisdom&#8221; no comes from only two sources: the state-supplied instructor and the will of the majority. There are no &#8220;elders&#8221; in this community.</p>
<p>3) What education occurs is directed at mediocrity, not excellence. Excellence is reserved for the elite that are able to opt-out of public education and take another route to ascendancy .</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: davetroy</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/how-education-is-ruining-your-life#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>davetroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember that night, and I stand by the advice I gave you then and I&#039;m glad it turned out well!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My particular complaints at the moment are around the overall design of the system and how it devalues place relationships. I&#039;m not sure we&#039;re going to soon get past the &#039;college degree required&#039; phenomenon when it comes to employers/employees.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My preference would be to create a world where people are taught, and practice, Effectuation (see my recent post on it). Effectuators create their own universes and simply get things done, and then no one questions their credentials.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d also submit that learning is absolutely essential, and we need to create environments where people are enabled to continuously learn. But, as you point out, our current system only intersects with learning some of the time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A mind that has been set forth to pursue authentic intellectual inquiry and use it to shape the world around them is a powerful force. We need a lot more of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that night, and I stand by the advice I gave you then and I&#39;m glad it turned out well!</p>
<p>My particular complaints at the moment are around the overall design of the system and how it devalues place relationships. I&#39;m not sure we&#39;re going to soon get past the &#39;college degree required&#39; phenomenon when it comes to employers/employees.</p>
<p>My preference would be to create a world where people are taught, and practice, Effectuation (see my recent post on it). Effectuators create their own universes and simply get things done, and then no one questions their credentials.</p>
<p>I&#39;d also submit that learning is absolutely essential, and we need to create environments where people are enabled to continuously learn. But, as you point out, our current system only intersects with learning some of the time.</p>
<p>A mind that has been set forth to pursue authentic intellectual inquiry and use it to shape the world around them is a powerful force. We need a lot more of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/how-education-is-ruining-your-life#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>Theresa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of this posting got my attention. Like Avdi, I was homeschooled for most of my life and never thought much of the educational system based on the half-year I spent trying out public school in the 90&#039;s. It was almost exactly 10 years ago that a discussion with you, lost in Baltimore on the way home from an Orioles game, inspired me to go back to college - a decision that changed my life. I don&#039;t remember the details of the conversation, but the point was that  it didn&#039;t matter what I majored in - that I should pick something, stick with it, and get it over with. You were right. I would not have landed the job I have now if that conversation had not taken place.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your advice back then highlights a problem we still have today. I don&#039;t really believe that I learned anything in college that makes me a better employee than I was before. But the system of higher education has a monopoly that is supported by parents and employers (large and small). Education is promoted as a means to an end - the end being a better opportunity for financial security - with little value placed on creative or intellectual growth. For most people that so-very-expensive piece of paper also known as a college degree is necessary just to get an interview. It&#039;s a cyclical problem. Employers need a way to select applicants without having to speak with each one, and they use success in college and graduate programs as a filter without much regard for whether the applicants retained anything they learned in those programs. Most parents just want their kids to go to a reputable college and get through in hopes that it will help them land an interview after graduation. Colleges aren&#039;t going to change their ways until employers and society start valuing something beyond the ink on that piece of paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this posting got my attention. Like Avdi, I was homeschooled for most of my life and never thought much of the educational system based on the half-year I spent trying out public school in the 90&#39;s. It was almost exactly 10 years ago that a discussion with you, lost in Baltimore on the way home from an Orioles game, inspired me to go back to college &#8211; a decision that changed my life. I don&#39;t remember the details of the conversation, but the point was that  it didn&#39;t matter what I majored in &#8211; that I should pick something, stick with it, and get it over with. You were right. I would not have landed the job I have now if that conversation had not taken place.</p>
<p>Your advice back then highlights a problem we still have today. I don&#39;t really believe that I learned anything in college that makes me a better employee than I was before. But the system of higher education has a monopoly that is supported by parents and employers (large and small). Education is promoted as a means to an end &#8211; the end being a better opportunity for financial security &#8211; with little value placed on creative or intellectual growth. For most people that so-very-expensive piece of paper also known as a college degree is necessary just to get an interview. It&#39;s a cyclical problem. Employers need a way to select applicants without having to speak with each one, and they use success in college and graduate programs as a filter without much regard for whether the applicants retained anything they learned in those programs. Most parents just want their kids to go to a reputable college and get through in hopes that it will help them land an interview after graduation. Colleges aren&#39;t going to change their ways until employers and society start valuing something beyond the ink on that piece of paper.</p>
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		<title>By: betaphi</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/how-education-is-ruining-your-life#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>betaphi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remembered what the fourth pod was. It was art, as in designing and perhaps building anything, with elegance, beauty, and function as goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remembered what the fourth pod was. It was art, as in designing and perhaps building anything, with elegance, beauty, and function as goals.</p>
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		<title>By: The changing nature of work &#171; Andrew Spittle</title>
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		<dc:creator>The changing nature of work &#171; Andrew Spittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] goes along with a thought I had after reading Dave Troy&#8217;s piece a couple days ago about how &#8220;we continue to build cogs for this machine as though nothing has [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Chiochetti</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/how-education-is-ruining-your-life#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>John Chiochetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How is Education Ruining your Life&quot;...maybe a bit more dire than I would say, but there is a problem with the process of education in this society. The constant rising expectation of achievement for all is compressing the educational system; where years ago having a High School Diploma was a ticket to a solid working class future and the idea of a college education was the path to achieve creative and excellence above the norm...today a College Degree is the price of admission to even entry level jobs; many college graduates working jobs that in the past were filled with high school graduates and even those without the diploma. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The result is a manufacturing mindset applied to secondary and post secondary education. The resulting forced expectation has squeezed the creativity and inspiration from education...replacing it with standard, productized students who know how to execute the minimum acceptable procedures of a certain discipline. This is most rampant and disturbing in engineering and science education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How is Education Ruining your Life&#8221;&#8230;maybe a bit more dire than I would say, but there is a problem with the process of education in this society. The constant rising expectation of achievement for all is compressing the educational system; where years ago having a High School Diploma was a ticket to a solid working class future and the idea of a college education was the path to achieve creative and excellence above the norm&#8230;today a College Degree is the price of admission to even entry level jobs; many college graduates working jobs that in the past were filled with high school graduates and even those without the diploma. </p>
<p>The result is a manufacturing mindset applied to secondary and post secondary education. The resulting forced expectation has squeezed the creativity and inspiration from education&#8230;replacing it with standard, productized students who know how to execute the minimum acceptable procedures of a certain discipline. This is most rampant and disturbing in engineering and science education.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/how-education-is-ruining-your-life#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been thinking about this quite a bit lately, and you shed insight on a piece of the puzzle that was missing for me. Of course, I think you must read Ivan Illich! Please check out my blog if you are interested in this topic. (In today&#039;s post I incorporate your idea about school&#039;s lag behind the transition from an industrial economy to an information economy). Cheers, and keep on writing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking about this quite a bit lately, and you shed insight on a piece of the puzzle that was missing for me. Of course, I think you must read Ivan Illich! Please check out my blog if you are interested in this topic. (In today&#39;s post I incorporate your idea about school&#39;s lag behind the transition from an industrial economy to an information economy). Cheers, and keep on writing!</p>
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