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		<title>By: ukjobs</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-618</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my work with Beehive, Baltimore Angels, SocialDevCamp, assisting with Ignite, etc, I keep seeing that so many of us want the same things for our region.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Find more jobs: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.staffingpower.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.staffingpower.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my work with Beehive, Baltimore Angels, SocialDevCamp, assisting with Ignite, etc, I keep seeing that so many of us want the same things for our region.</p>
<p>Find more jobs: <a href="http://www.staffingpower.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.staffingpower.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ukjobs</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-603</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my work with Beehive, Baltimore Angels, SocialDevCamp, assisting with Ignite, etc, I keep seeing that so many of us want the same things for our region.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Find more jobs: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.staffingpower.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.staffingpower.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my work with Beehive, Baltimore Angels, SocialDevCamp, assisting with Ignite, etc, I keep seeing that so many of us want the same things for our region.</p>
<p>Find more jobs: <a href="http://www.staffingpower.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.staffingpower.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: denmeade</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-438</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 10:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dave, we met over dinner at TED. thank you for pointing this post out. i really enjoyed it.  it has given me lots to ponder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave, we met over dinner at TED. thank you for pointing this post out. i really enjoyed it.  it has given me lots to ponder.</p>
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		<title>By: davetroy</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-434</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, this is fantastic. I keep hearing &quot;I think I am going to stay&quot; from more and more people. Great to hear it. Spread the word. Let&#039;s claim our place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, this is fantastic. I keep hearing &#8220;I think I am going to stay&#8221; from more and more people. Great to hear it. Spread the word. Let&#8217;s claim our place!</p>
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		<title>By: chrisashworth.org/id/</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-433</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to record in this space that we closed on our first house this morning.  Here&#039;s to becoming indigenous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to record in this space that we closed on our first house this morning.  Here&#8217;s to becoming indigenous.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisashworth.org/id/</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisashworth.org/id/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Author&#039;s note: The first part of this response was composed yesterday.   Due to a technical glitch my attempt to post it to the comment thread failed.  I&#039;m trying again now, and adding a second part as a follow-up to my initial thoughts.)

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I&#039;m late to the conversation, but:

I have been reading this post over and over this morning.

Dave, thank you for writing this. I grew up in Kentucky, moved to Minnesota for college (where I met my wife), moved to New Mexico for a job, moved back to Kentucky for more education, moved to North Carolina for more education, and then four years ago we moved to Baltimore for, yes, more education.

When we arrived I got a job in Columbia, and spent my first 3 years almost completely unconnected to Baltimore.  We found ourselves in love with the Waverly farmers market, but I was spending all my time driving to, working in, and driving back from Columbia, so my relationship to Baltimore went nowhere.  I came in telling myself it was temporary, and let myself live that way even when the facts had long since failed to support that story.

In that time, as my wife continued her studies, I started a software company.  One year ago I quit my day job and began working for myself full time. ( http://figure53.com )  I was joyous.  Finally given the opportunity to give full attention to the work I loved, I spent another year buried in building a company.  The work paid off, and now I&#039;m expecting to hire at least one more guy for the team. (Take that, recession.) But amidst all the undeniable excitement and satisfaction, I was still ignoring Baltimore.

And while my wife has been much more connected to the city, there&#039;s been nothing for us to do as we&#039;ve watched nearly every friend we&#039;ve had in B-more move away for, you guessed it, school and jobs.

So here we are.  My wife is about to graduate.  For months we&#039;ve struggled with the question of what we do now.  The friends we&#039;ve known from college have scattered widely across the country.  Our families have done the same.  We&#039;ve plotted and triangulated endlessly, and come out the other end with almost nothing to hang a home on.  Do we stay?  What&#039;s keeping us here?  And yet where else do we go?

Reading your post, and reading the responses of other young couples here, has given me a cautious infusion of optimism today, if for no other reason than the realization that: holy crap!  You people sound great!  And you live in my city!  

Moreover, it may give me a little courage to say, in my next conversation at the dinner table: &quot;Let&#039;s just do this. Let&#039;s find a place in Charles Village, and let&#039;s just go for it.&quot;

Sorry for this overly-long comment, but this whole thread has struck me where it resonates.  Thanks to all for your contributions.

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Addendum:  Well, we did have a conversation at the dinner table.  I shared this blog entry with my wife, and we added it to the considerable pile of ruminations that preceded it in the last 12 months.  Long story short, I contacted a buyer&#039;s agent this morning and asked how we can start the process of finding a lender and a house in CV.  Cheers.   

P.S.: If any of you have leads on a nice place, let me know.  :-)</description>
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<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; 1</p>
<p>I&#8217;m late to the conversation, but:</p>
<p>I have been reading this post over and over this morning.</p>
<p>Dave, thank you for writing this. I grew up in Kentucky, moved to Minnesota for college (where I met my wife), moved to New Mexico for a job, moved back to Kentucky for more education, moved to North Carolina for more education, and then four years ago we moved to Baltimore for, yes, more education.</p>
<p>When we arrived I got a job in Columbia, and spent my first 3 years almost completely unconnected to Baltimore.  We found ourselves in love with the Waverly farmers market, but I was spending all my time driving to, working in, and driving back from Columbia, so my relationship to Baltimore went nowhere.  I came in telling myself it was temporary, and let myself live that way even when the facts had long since failed to support that story.</p>
<p>In that time, as my wife continued her studies, I started a software company.  One year ago I quit my day job and began working for myself full time. ( <a href="http://figure53.com" rel="nofollow">http://figure53.com</a> )  I was joyous.  Finally given the opportunity to give full attention to the work I loved, I spent another year buried in building a company.  The work paid off, and now I&#8217;m expecting to hire at least one more guy for the team. (Take that, recession.) But amidst all the undeniable excitement and satisfaction, I was still ignoring Baltimore.</p>
<p>And while my wife has been much more connected to the city, there&#8217;s been nothing for us to do as we&#8217;ve watched nearly every friend we&#8217;ve had in B-more move away for, you guessed it, school and jobs.</p>
<p>So here we are.  My wife is about to graduate.  For months we&#8217;ve struggled with the question of what we do now.  The friends we&#8217;ve known from college have scattered widely across the country.  Our families have done the same.  We&#8217;ve plotted and triangulated endlessly, and come out the other end with almost nothing to hang a home on.  Do we stay?  What&#8217;s keeping us here?  And yet where else do we go?</p>
<p>Reading your post, and reading the responses of other young couples here, has given me a cautious infusion of optimism today, if for no other reason than the realization that: holy crap!  You people sound great!  And you live in my city!  </p>
<p>Moreover, it may give me a little courage to say, in my next conversation at the dinner table: &#8220;Let&#8217;s just do this. Let&#8217;s find a place in Charles Village, and let&#8217;s just go for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry for this overly-long comment, but this whole thread has struck me where it resonates.  Thanks to all for your contributions.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; 2</p>
<p>Addendum:  Well, we did have a conversation at the dinner table.  I shared this blog entry with my wife, and we added it to the considerable pile of ruminations that preceded it in the last 12 months.  Long story short, I contacted a buyer&#8217;s agent this morning and asked how we can start the process of finding a lender and a house in CV.  Cheers.   </p>
<p>P.S.: If any of you have leads on a nice place, let me know.  <img src='http://davetroy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: elight.myopenid.com/</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-407</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post blew my mind.  And yet I have to take issue with it&#039;s focus on &quot;city&quot; and white-collar work.  While I am a code monkey by trade, I live a few miles outside of Ocean City, MD just on the cusp of the countryside -- farmland.  

And yet I believe that most everything that you said, Dave, may still apply to to most any arbitrary locus of population, whether a small town or a city, given some finite radius.  The difference being that a larger population of a city does statistically increase the likelihood of several individuals with closely aligned interests within a smaller radius.

While I have lived here for six months, in that time, I have  slowly managed to find small pockets of my &quot;nerd&quot; community.  It is possible beyond the boundaries of city-life.

I contend that the crucial element, that IIRC you cite, is a dedication to &quot;home&quot;, to a place of personal consequence, and the intent to become a part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post blew my mind.  And yet I have to take issue with it&#8217;s focus on &#8220;city&#8221; and white-collar work.  While I am a code monkey by trade, I live a few miles outside of Ocean City, MD just on the cusp of the countryside &#8212; farmland.  </p>
<p>And yet I believe that most everything that you said, Dave, may still apply to to most any arbitrary locus of population, whether a small town or a city, given some finite radius.  The difference being that a larger population of a city does statistically increase the likelihood of several individuals with closely aligned interests within a smaller radius.</p>
<p>While I have lived here for six months, in that time, I have  slowly managed to find small pockets of my &#8220;nerd&#8221; community.  It is possible beyond the boundaries of city-life.</p>
<p>I contend that the crucial element, that IIRC you cite, is a dedication to &#8220;home&#8221;, to a place of personal consequence, and the intent to become a part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hipvet</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>Hipvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article Dave...there are those in the UK who have similar feelings.
Cheers...John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article Dave&#8230;there are those in the UK who have similar feelings.<br />
Cheers&#8230;John</p>
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		<title>By: subelsky.myopenid.com/</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-376</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha.  Travel is fine, but should not be the basis of one&#039;s professional or personal life.  Instead we should be focusing on making our own spheres as interesting and healthy as possible. 

Maybe we need a local conference on this topic? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha.  Travel is fine, but should not be the basis of one&#8217;s professional or personal life.  Instead we should be focusing on making our own spheres as interesting and healthy as possible. </p>
<p>Maybe we need a local conference on this topic? <img src='http://davetroy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: davetroy</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/becoming-indigenous#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>davetroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myke - Agree that it is now more doable than ever for a young person to choose a vocation; we have much better tools for that now.

However, the notion that education/vocation *requires* a divorce from place strikes me as disingenuous. It is increasingly possible for someone to get a decent education in any subject in their own backyard. This is especially true in our area.

There is almost no reason for us to be exporting people anymore, and the geographic randomization that comes from asking a high school student what they want to study, and proposing a list of schools based on that, strikes me as  a silly, outmoded, and destructive practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myke &#8211; Agree that it is now more doable than ever for a young person to choose a vocation; we have much better tools for that now.</p>
<p>However, the notion that education/vocation *requires* a divorce from place strikes me as disingenuous. It is increasingly possible for someone to get a decent education in any subject in their own backyard. This is especially true in our area.</p>
<p>There is almost no reason for us to be exporting people anymore, and the geographic randomization that comes from asking a high school student what they want to study, and proposing a list of schools based on that, strikes me as  a silly, outmoded, and destructive practice.</p>
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