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	<title>Comments on: Apple Knows Where You Are: Sniffing the iPhone Location Service in 1.1.3</title>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/apple-knows-where-you-are-sniffing-the-iphone-location-service-in-113#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well iPhone&#039;s security is a little lame... was reading an article here http://www.greyhatindia.com/2008/12/16/protect-your-iphone-from-getting-sniffed-on-wifi/ which clearly scared me about using the iPhone email on the Public APs

let&#039;s see if apple does something in the future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well iPhone&#8217;s security is a little lame&#8230; was reading an article here <a href="http://www.greyhatindia.com/2008/12/16/protect-your-iphone-from-getting-sniffed-on-wifi/" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyhatindia.com/2008/12/16/protect-your-iphone-from-getting-sniffed-on-wifi/</a> which clearly scared me about using the iPhone email on the Public APs</p>
<p>let&#8217;s see if apple does something in the future</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Troy</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/apple-knows-where-you-are-sniffing-the-iphone-location-service-in-113#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rodbegbie - I agree that it&#039;s not clear what the nature of those fields are.  I have a hard time believing, though, that there is not some piece of information transmitted that can not be correlated to my identity.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In fact, in the case of the SSL transmissions, there is no way to verify it at all.  Apple&#039;s lack of a definitive disable mechanism for location services is also at odds with their SLA.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I will be following up on this in the next few days, as you suggest, to see if we can understand a little better what the transmitted information is.  In the meantime, I hope this starts some conversation and investigation into the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rodbegbie &#8211; I agree that it&#8217;s not clear what the nature of those fields are.  I have a hard time believing, though, that there is not some piece of information transmitted that can not be correlated to my identity.  </p>
<p>In fact, in the case of the SSL transmissions, there is no way to verify it at all.  Apple&#8217;s lack of a definitive disable mechanism for location services is also at odds with their SLA.</p>
<p>I will be following up on this in the next few days, as you suggest, to see if we can understand a little better what the transmitted information is.  In the meantime, I hope this starts some conversation and investigation into the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: rodbegbie</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/apple-knows-where-you-are-sniffing-the-iphone-location-service-in-113#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>rodbegbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think your serial number is being reported to Apple?  I don&#039;t see anything in that sniff that resembles a iPhone serial number.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you&#039;re referring to the &quot;s_nr&quot; field: Can you check whether or not it is always the same value whenever you use it, and if it is unique to your phone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think your serial number is being reported to Apple?  I don&#8217;t see anything in that sniff that resembles a iPhone serial number.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re referring to the &#8220;s_nr&#8221; field: Can you check whether or not it is always the same value whenever you use it, and if it is unique to your phone?</p>
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		<title>By: doylewalt</title>
		<link>http://davetroy.com/posts/apple-knows-where-you-are-sniffing-the-iphone-location-service-in-113#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>doylewalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thorough and thoughtful post Dave - agree with you on all fronts.  It will be interesting to see how &quot;open&quot; location becomes with the SDK release and/or at what cost.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Best - &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Walt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorough and thoughtful post Dave &#8211; agree with you on all fronts.  It will be interesting to see how &#8220;open&#8221; location becomes with the SDK release and/or at what cost.</p>
<p>Best &#8211; </p>
<p>Walt</p>
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